Hi, I'm JT and these are my thoughts on community, content management, Plain Black, and WebGUI.

New Karma Policy

User: JT
Date: 9/2/2008 10:06 am
Views: 1691
Rating: -7    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Send to a Friend

At the WUC I unveiled some new policies around karma, which created quite a bit of buzz, so i thought I should share those with you here.

First, now that we're doing only 2 major releases per year, the old karma RFE policy doesn't really work anymore. So instead of knocking off the top 1-5 RFEs per release we (Plain Black staff) will be having karma RFE days once per month, where we all work on closing as many RFE's from the list as possible. We'll announce these days on the community calendar so anyone in the community that wishes to join us in closing RFEs can do so.

In addition, you may now gift your karma to other users in the community. This can be a nice way to say "thank you" to someone that has helped you out.

And finally, you may now spend your karma on physical goods such as Gooey Dolls, T-Shirts, and WUC tickets. 100 Karma == $1. That makes karma just a little more valuable. No you won't be able to buy stuff in the Bazaar or pay for recurring subscriptions using karma. For the bazaar, we can't very well pay our vendors in karma. And for the recurring transactions, like hosting, you might run out of karma and then we'd shut down your site, and you wouldn't be a very happy camper.

I hope that these new additions to karma, will make the karma system even more useful and exciting to the community. It created quite a buzz at the WUC, and the WUC is usually a good indication of the community at large.

Replies

Flat
Re: New Karma Policy
User: koen
Date: 9/2/2008 11:52 am
Rating: 6    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

As self-proclaimed karma-whore I really like these additions.

I would really like to be able to 'sell' my WebGUI additions in the Bazaar for karma only. That is why I posted this RFE to do just that.

Koen de Jonge - ProcoliX
http://www.procolix.com
Hosting - WebGUI - Virtualization


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/2/2008 1:55 pm
Rating: 1    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Personally, I do not like the idea of selling contributions for karma. In my oppinion that is against the community thought. But what about adding a "donate karma" function to the Bazaar? Given voluntarily it would be a completely different thing.

--
Administrator of a non-profit community portal for free-climbers around Magdeburg/Germany. Check out http://www.klettern-md.de.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/2/2008 2:16 pm
Rating: 1    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

That already exists in the form of gifting karma.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/2/2008 4:00 pm
Rating: -4    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

I have seen it. But the function is well hidden and not very convenient to use. I was rather thinking of something similar to the PayPal button with quick options added (give 50, 100, 200 or 1000 pts). Another good place for this function would be the profile view. Just some thoughts...

--
Administrator of a non-profit community portal for free-climbers around Magdeburg/Germany. Check out http://www.klettern-md.de.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/2/2008 12:51 pm
Rating: -2    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Yes! Finally, I can buy Gooey dolls with my karma. That is exactly what I wanted to ask for. What about the exchange rate to Euros? Will that be based on the dollar price?


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/2/2008 1:14 pm
Rating: 3    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

All prices on plainblack.com are listed in Dollars, so Euros are irrelevant to this conversion. $1 = 100 karma. So you'll need 1500 karma for 1 gooey doll.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/2/2008 1:32 pm
Rating: -1    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Damn! I was hoping to get off better with Euros. Never mind. But do the 1500 karma include shipping?


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/2/2008 1:36 pm
Rating: 3    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Yes. It's an all inclusive price.

We're also considering lowering the price and then charging for specific shipping to each person, but we haven't gotten that far yet.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: ehab
Date: 9/2/2008 1:19 pm
Rating: 5    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Why not sell karma at that rate of 100Ka/$. Some people want RFE but do not have the karma, and sometimes they may pay for it for the RFE. Just thought.

(If only you can buy Karma in real life )

 

Ehab Heikal

 www.elmotaheda.com , www.mashy.com

Quote: An eye for an Eye only helps make the whole world blind

Gandhi


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/2/2008 1:35 pm
Rating: 4    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

I see where you're going with this, and there were at least 3 people at the WUC that brought this idea up as well. My concern though is that the whole idea of karma is that you are contributing to the community in some way. Being able to purchase karma seems like it may degrade karma's value in the community.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/2/2008 1:59 pm
Rating: 5    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Yep, I agree! Me, for example, I am a lazy guy. If I was given the opportunity to buy karma at a rate of 100 points for $1 I would do that instead of earning it hard on webgui.org. Money should not rule the direction into which webgui goes! I know...

--
Administrator of a non-profit community portal for free-climbers around Magdeburg/Germany. Check out http://www.klettern-md.de.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: arjan
Date: 9/2/2008 4:22 pm
Rating: -7    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Question: if you vote on a message your karma is down with one, does this karma go to the other user?

Kind regards,

Arjan Widlak

United Knowledge
Internet for the public sector

www.unitedknowledge.nl


Re: New Karma Policy
User: eleger81
Date: 9/3/2008 9:06 am
Rating: 0    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

So how are you able to pay for merch with Karma?  As of today the only option I'm given is to pay via credit card.  Is this option still in the works, or am I just missing something?  Thanks for this great Karma option!


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/3/2008 9:41 am
Rating: 9    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Ooops. Sorry about that. I had it set so only admins could use it. It's available to everyone now.


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/3/2008 9:53 am
Rating: 14    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

The official RFE days will be: 

  • September 16
  • October 21
  • November 18


Re: New Karma Policy
User: arjan
Date: 9/3/2008 4:14 pm
Rating: -5    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

So, RFE-day is the third tuesday of the month or is another - perhaps insidious - way to arrive at this regularity of 16 September, 21 Oktober, 18 November?

 

Kind regards,

Arjan Widlak

United Knowledge
Internet for the public sector

www.unitedknowledge.nl


Re: New Karma Policy
User: JT
Date: 9/3/2008 4:23 pm
Rating: -7    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

For 7.6 it is the third-tuesday of each month. However, that's not necessarily true for 7.7 or 7.8 so I didn't want to state it so explicitly.

I also wish I had some sort of amazing mathematical formula as to how I came to these dates that you could use to wow and amaze your friends, but I don't. =)


Re: New Karma Policy
User: patspam
Date: 9/7/2008 12:51 am
Rating: 5    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

RFE days are a great idea, especially with the invitation for the wider community to join in. Sounds like it'll be a great way for new contributors to get their feet wet. Great stuff.

As suggested at the WUC it'd be kinda cool if the karma donated to an RFE gets awarded to the person who implements it as a bounty. Someone would need to work through the karma market economy implications first though..


Re: New Karma Policy
User: patspam
Date: 9/7/2008 12:54 am
Rating: 6    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

(and I know Koen hates this idea because it gives developers an unfair advantage in the race for Karma-hoarding supremacy)


Re: New Karma Policy
User: koen
Date: 9/9/2008 5:38 pm
Rating: -6    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

Actually I really like the idea. I like it so much that I ordered my own private copy of the developers guide so I can be a developer too. That book should be available for karma too!

Plus I put in an RFE to implement this.

Koen de Jonge - ProcoliX
http://www.procolix.com
Hosting - WebGUI - Virtualization


Re: New Karma Policy
User: bernd
Date: 9/7/2008 3:25 pm
Rating: 11    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved
Am Sonntag, den 07.09.2008, 15:51 +1000 schrieb pat@patspam.com:
> As suggested at the WUC it'd be kinda cool if the karma donated to an
> RFE gets awarded to the person who implements it as a bounty. Someone
> would need to work through the karma market economy implications first
> though.

I would rather base the amount of karma on the difficulty rating. That
way you prevent karma from accumulating in the system.



Re: New Karma Policy
User: koen
Date: 9/9/2008 5:40 pm
Rating: 6    Rate [

+

|

-

]
Status: Approved

I wrote a wiki page on how much karma you get for doing what.

Is there any chance at getting a authoritive list of this?

Koen de Jonge - ProcoliX
http://www.procolix.com
Hosting - WebGUI - Virtualization


PreviousBackNext